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Ella's avatar
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"She accuses people of white supremacy for not posting about Gaza, for mourning the death of someone she didn’t like, and for daring to use their platforms for things other than regurgitating her exact political priorities."

No, she is exposing selective empathy and how that is clearly rooted in systemic racism. Why can people stomach watching thousands of children torn to pieces and starved to death for two years but then cry when one man is shot? There’s a clear explanation that lies in the colour of their skin and who people deem to be deserving of life.

“When you insist that everyone perform the same grief, speak the same politics, and obey the same moral framework—or else—you are describing the very foundations of authoritarian rule.”

So we’re in agreement then that the administration revoking visas for those speaking out in support of Palestine or those who have made light of Charlie Kirk’s death is demonstrating the government’s authoritarian rule and the foundations of fascism? To fight fascism you say we need to “stop silencing people for not parroting your beliefs” but that’s exactly what the government is doing - on a much more serious level than someone on Substack.

It means nothing to say the US “was founded on principles that reject the core tenets of fascism” - that is not the reality now. So I’ll take your advice and stop to ask “wait is any of this actually true?”.

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stepfanie tyler's avatar

You’re conflating two different things:

1. Cultural coercion—demanding moral performance from everyone, or else.

2. State punishment for speech—which I also oppose.

The essay I critiqued was doing #1. That doesn’t get a free pass just because you agree with the cause.

If you think both things are bad (censorship and moral obedience tests), congrats—we're on the same side.

If you only object when the “wrong” team does it, then you’re not anti-fascist. You just want different boots on different necks.

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Ella's avatar

I’m not conflating the two things - I’m calling out the confusion of an article that on the one hand says we need to zoom out and realise “the United States was founded on principles that reject the core tenets of fascism” whilst also highlighting that “rigid ideological conformity, censorship and punishment of dissent” (which the gov are demonstrating as you’ve just agreed) are tenants of fascism.

I understand that this article is not to debate whether the US government is fascist or not but if you’re writing an article where you are saying you have a better understanding of this ideology than others, then you need to recognise these contradictions and not just display examples that serve your purpose, or you are doing the same thing that you are criticising others for. You say “we need people who understand context” and the context of the current and real political landscape (not what it was founded on) should not be ignored.

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stepfanie tyler's avatar

maybe you missed the part where i was responding to a very specific article — an article which did not address or even mention the whataboutisms you’re bringing up now

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stargate's avatar

Please, for everyones sake, read and absorb Ellas comments, she's smashed it and has fully called you out - note: without being aggressive and mean!! (like yourself to a lot of us) - it's okay to get things wrong.

Maybe, as a white cis-woman from California (?), don't try and tell people what fascism is "bitch" (gross title btw) whilst ignoring the current shit show firework display mess that is America.

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stargate's avatar

well done :)

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stargate's avatar

It's not simply a matter of them being 'different teams' - it's a matter of one being extremely violent, oppressive and far-right and the other.. not being those things.

Why are you so resistant to acknowledge that? You realise how incredibly reductive and dangerous that is?

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stepfanie tyler's avatar

reducing wellness influencers to fascists might be one of the most reductive things i’ve ever heard—but you’re right, you got me

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stargate's avatar

They are when they support literal fascists, which are the wellness influencers the article is talking about <3

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Anton's avatar

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

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stargate's avatar

If an extreme far-right racist misogynistic nationalist isn't fascist... I honestly have no idea where we are at in this world. Feeling sorry for you

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Scott Pfister's avatar

I was going to reply, but Ella was much more eloquent and logical in her reply.

Then I thought, what the hell, even a less organized voice is still a voice.

To Ella’s characterization of the original story:

"She accuses people of white supremacy for not posting about Gaza, for mourning the death of someone she didn’t like, and for daring to use their platforms for things other than regurgitating her exact political priorities."

You replied:

“No, she is exposing selective empathy and how that is clearly rooted in systemic racism. “

Yes. That’s exactly what she said, you just used the cultural Marxist sanitized words to make it sound like it’s worse:

Mourning the death of someone she didn’t like -> Selective Empathy

White Supremacy -> Systemic Racism

Honestly - it’s the same thing she did! She was just as selective, as any reference to 10/7 was minimal and obligatory. And calling positions racist simply because some parties have different cultural backgrounds is silly. Half of Israeli Jews are from the same region. Most Palestinians are Egyptian or Jordanian in ancestry. But by crying “racism!” you think you can avoid having to engage with the actual arguments, but you can’t. No one who doesn’t already see things your way isn’t buying it, and no one who doesn’t is convinced just because you called it racist, when thinking people see that it’s much more nuanced than that.

“Why can people stomach watching thousands of children torn to pieces and starved to death for two years but then cry when one man is shot?”

One might ask, Why can people stomach watching over a thousand innocent people get raped, mutilated, and kidnapped intentionally and then for two years, not return the hostages that were taken merely as pawns?

If all you can do is count numbers of casualties and ignore all the detail, like how it compares to other conflicts, how much Israel does to mitigate civilian casualties, and then fail to propose ANY solution that can let Israelis live without fearing for the next Hamas attack, then you’re simply buying all the stories from one side and trusting all the other stories are lies, and serving as a useful idiot who refused to question the crap you’re being fed.

Critical thinking isn’t repeating mindless slogans or jumping on bandwagons because your friends do, it’s actually seeking to understand and then asking better questions.

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azzy's avatar

Thank you

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Nathalia Montenegro's avatar

This piece gives me hope. I wouldn't have the energy to try to talk some sense and middle ground to emotionally charged people. As someone else commented, the people who most need to read it probably won't. Unfortunately I feel there's less and less space for actually discussing ideas, and points of view. Morals are so turned upside down. While the reality is more about multiple shades of grey, people continuously force it into a black and white, that's why the puzzle will never come together. I feel some relief to know that some people like you have the energy to talk through this, because I don't.

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stepfanie tyler's avatar

Thanks for the comment, Nathalia. I really don't have the energy, if I'm being honest. But I read that piece this morning and felt sick to my stomach seeing practically no pushback to it. I published this less than an hour ago and I've already lost 100 subscribers and there's already one lunatic in the comments saying they're happy Charlie Kirk is dead. I guess that gives me "energy" or "conviction" or whatever we want to call it... knowing there is so little tolerance for dissent and so few people actually want to engage with ideas, especially when they don't match their own beliefs, is just awful. I want to talk about fun things... but it doesn't feel right to stay silent on this. I like your puzzle analogy though—feels impossible for it to come together when everyone just shouts from their side, while being violently attached to their identity politics and virtue signals. I hate how much misinformation is floating around out there... I guess I'll do the little bit I can to help remedy that. Idk *sigh*

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stargate's avatar

The only lunatics here are the folks defending dangerous fascists like mr Kirk :)

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Anton's avatar

Define fascist.

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stepfanie tyler's avatar

They define fascist as "anything I don't like or agree with"

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stargate's avatar

I think it's kind of okay and cool and encouraged to not like anything that's extreme far-right, a threat to our safety as a society, and something that puts vulnerable groups and minorities at severe risk.

P.s. you're the one that's been aggressive in the comments replying to people with opinions that you 'don't like or agree with' - you're a walking contradiction.

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Dutchmn007's avatar

As defined by founder Benito Mussolini, Fascism is “All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state” but also “fascism is the melding of corporate & political power.” Fascism can be described as communism with a capitalist veneer. The differences are only by degrees; under Communism The State owns both the means of distribution & production, there are no individual rights nor right of property. Under Fascism, The State dictates the means of production & distribution while nominally leaving both in private hands, usually big corporations which is why Fascism is often referred to as “corporatism”. The corporations get a free hand as long as they abide by what The State mandates. A good example of this is China today; they were full fledged Communist from 1949 to about the mid to late ‘70’s but decided they liked money so they morphed into a Fascist state. There are no individual or property rights under Fascism either so with a huge supply of slave labor, the Chinese govt has been making $$ hand over fist these last few decades. Both are based in Marxism & both are on the left side of the political spectrum.

Ms Tyler is correct however, today “fascism” has devolved into meaning “anything I don’t like or agree with” from the masses.

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goodnightrose's avatar

Congratulations. This informative, nuanced and otherwise excellent piece might have begun with "Dear Stargate" as it was written precisely for malicious ignoramuses who couldn't produce an original thought if it was that or take a bullet to the jugular.

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Cassandre.rf's avatar

I don’t defend rapists, murderers, or fascists, but I do not believe the death penalty is right. So no,I’m not happy when a man has to be killed, even if he was a bad man.

And yes, I don’t want to live in a world where everyone I disagree with is going to be killed just because we are different.

Another example: I strongly condemn what Hamas did on October 7. But I also strongly condemn the idea that the entire population of Gaza, deserves to die from starvation/ bombing/ genocide.

That’s what she’s talking about: being on the “good” side doesn’t mean being cruel to people on the opposite side because there is no opposite side.

We have different ideas. Are they criminals? In some ways, yes. Do they have blood on their hands? Also yes. But I don’t want to be happy with theirs on mine.

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Anton's avatar

Hamas' goal is the destruction of the state of Israel. If you have a better idea than what Israel is doing to defend itself, please enlighten us.

Because millions of Arab Muslims live in peace in Israel.

It's only Hamas/Palestinians who refuse to do so.

Have you ever asked yourself why Palestinians aren't allowed refuge in Egypt, Jordan, or Saudi Arabia?

The short answer is: Because when allowed asylum in those countries, they rebelled against those governments and even staged an attempted coup in Jordan.

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Cassandre.rf's avatar

Hello, I picked this example because it’s the one she chose. I just mean that everything has nuance and deserves debate, even if you don’t agree with the other side.

If you’d like to talk about it, feel free to message me privately my perspective isn’t black and white.

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Clementine Woods's avatar

Woowww. We need more brains like yours. Neutral and nuanced and rational and real. Bravo.

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stepfanie tyler's avatar

🤍

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stargate's avatar

You can be nuanced and rational without defending oppressive and violent natured fascists, Clementine! <3

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Anton's avatar

Violent natured fascists...you mean like the Charlie Kirk shooter, those who encouraged him, and those who celebrated after?

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stargate's avatar

The shooter was a far-right man :) He's just as bad my dude. Fuck the shooter and fuck Charlie Kirk

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Anton's avatar

He has a t-girl SO. Definitely not far right. Nice try though.

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stargate's avatar

There is such a thing as people on hormones who are conservative - but anyways, they were brought up in a strict Republican family and before having a dramatic change of mind. I would argue that his aggression and violence came from his Republican upbringing. That shit doesn't just go away overnight just because their mind decided they wanted to now be on the left. Those values run deep and I believe that's where their desire to shoot came from - being surrounded by intense Republicans most of their life. It's pretty interesting to see how they utilised their upbringing to facilitate their actions

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Anton's avatar

I completely understand you desire to distance your leftist ideology from this despicable person, but so sorry: He's one of yours.

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azzy's avatar

This is hardly neutral lol

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stepfanie tyler's avatar

What, exactly, makes it not neutral? Use your words.

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azzy's avatar

I charge $250 to educate white people

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stepfanie tyler's avatar

Shucks. What a loss for white people!

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azzy's avatar

Yep. As evidenced.

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stepfanie tyler's avatar

Sadly, "evidenced" doesn't mean what you think it means.

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Ariane Goodwin's avatar

Whoa, Stepf, I’m reading these comments and I’m blown away by some people’s intellectual inability to grasp the lucid, unemotional—yet compassionate—idea that demanding anyone to accept—and, more brutally, champion—whatever you believe, is morally repugnant, intellectually indefensible, and the breeding ground for said Facism. And that celebrating anyone’s death via bullhorn is implicitly, and ironically, celebrating your own. BRAVO! You are a distinct, thoughtful presence, a flash of sunlight dispersing a smug smog of complicity and ignorance.

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stepfanie tyler's avatar

I really don't know what else to call it, other than "ignorance" as you just pointed out. It's a lot of mental gymnastics and justifications, but at the end of the day, no one is really refuting what I've said—only that I'm not in alignment with them. They continue to double-down on their insane rhetoric and some have even continued to celebrate Charlie's death *in these comments*

Idk how Charlie did it because some people just feel impossible to talk to. Thanks for the kind response, Ariane.

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guttermouth's avatar

Im so happy charlie's dead. Ill piss on your grave too if you keep pushing nazi propaganda. NAZI.

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stepfanie tyler's avatar

Normally I'd block someone like you but I'm gonna go ahead and let everyone see how unhinged you all are. To everyone reading this—yes, people out there really do think like this. Despicable, low IQ, unthinking, non-building nobodies.

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guttermouth's avatar

“CHECKMATE, LIBRUHHL”

ill see you at alligator alcatraz. Maybe you can be the one to put me in a mass grave. Im sure your libidinal unconscious nazism is excited at the idea. Americans are and have been reactionary nazi dipshits.

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stargate's avatar

So so funny to wake up in a world where people who are against Nazis / extreme far-right ideologies are unhinged

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Ariane Goodwin's avatar

I have a hard time fathoming what it’s like to be doing what you love—- an open, intellectually sound discourse of ideas—yet be maligned by the reactionary minds of personalities who have no idea they’re growing in the wrong direction: small and shut down. My hope is that you have more us listening to balance it out. Your voice matters, Stepf!! 💕

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stargate's avatar

BRAVO! This article reinforced sympathy for fascists

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Ariane Goodwin's avatar

I highly recommend you read it SLOWLY, again. Because this comment shows that you either a) can't understand plain English, or b) continue to read through a filter so heavy and weighed down by bias that you, practically speaking, can't read.

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stargate's avatar

Notice how all your responses rely on calling me stupid, accusing me of not being able to read for example. That's kinda lame and not a great argument for why you should support fascists

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stepfanie tyler's avatar

Notice how none of your comments engage in good faith or actually address ideas mentioned in the essay. No one called you stupid—you made that claim yourself. I don't think anyone disagrees though.

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Matt Allan Degra's avatar

Damn, with every post you just get cooler and cooler.

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The Middling Place's avatar

Thank you for writing this and directly addressing her claims. I’m in a PhD program right now (for literature) and, unfortunately, no one is talking about this. Some of the technically MOST educated are the ones redefining the word. Reading your piece was a breath of fresh air and I hope to see more people (myself included) take a stand about what words actually mean and how they affect people.

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stepfanie tyler's avatar

The attempt to redefine words is one of the most maddening parts of all of this to me. It's one reason I will never stop calling a spade a spade. The more people who let it slide, the worse it becomes down the road, and the harder it will be to undo.

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guttermouth's avatar

A spade is a spade. Nazi propaganda is nazi propaganda.

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Tanishq Khandelwal's avatar

So grateful that people like you exist! Saying what needed to be said! And I agree, these are the people who have created a bubble around them, and they only allow people who say "YES! YOU GO GIRL! WE WILL PUT AN INSTAGRAM POST ABOUT IT TOO!" inside that bubble....the moment someone do critical thinking and have the courage to say "NO...ACTUALLY WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHATS GOING ON", the moment somone goes against their idealogy, they will outright term that person as right wing or in India case it's anti nationalist.

They ignore the power of discourse and listening to the Opposition side (they think it's the Opposition side, I think we are just people with different opinions), and exactly, the freedom of speech that they demand so much by putting on Instagram story...they themselves throw it down the drain.

Again, thank you for writing this!

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stepfanie tyler's avatar

Agreed—we must listen to what other people think to understand how they think. Unfortunately so many people simply want to live in an echo chamber and never have their views challenged.

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Daniella Shouhed's avatar

THIS! Every single word of this. You capture it all so perfectly and eloquently. This should be required reading.

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stepfanie tyler's avatar

I appreciate it, Daniella 🤍

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Kevin Robinson's avatar

Wish I could subscribe 100 times! It boggles my mind that at the core of this labeling of fascism those doing the labeling have changed the definition and blamed what they are doing on the others.

It is classic narcissist behavior.

And why?

For power.

The sheep at these colleges that Charlie spoke to have just been going along with the flow. And Charlie fought back by exposing truth and facts that the narrative didn't tell you. Things that the media didn't tell you.

Thankfully the truth is making a comeback.

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stepfanie tyler's avatar

Thanks, Kevin. The truth will always win in the end.

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MAG's avatar

You have crossed the rubicon and will now be subjected to irrational and incoherent discourse from the indoctrinated jacobins that cannot tolerate any dissent or apostates. Unsubscribing is a gift. Your accurate revelation brings an important clarity to a failed narrative. May your influence win new followers. Thank you for the courage to be honest.

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stepfanie tyler's avatar

It really is self-filtering. I just hate the idea of building another echo chamber, but I can't control what other people do. Such is life, I suppose. Thanks for your note.

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guttermouth's avatar

Intellectual wolf in sheep's clothing, misunderstanding fascism and nazism in our specific American context.

George Jackson understood it in 1972.

But he lived in a different America than the one we live in now. It can be argued there are many different Americas, depending on your gender, race, socioeconomic status, what side of town you were born in, or what language you speak.

"Settle your quarrels, come together, understand the reality of our situation, understand that fascism is already here, that people are already dying who could be saved, that generations more will die or live poor butchered half-lives if you fail to act. do what must be done, discover your humanity and your love in revolution. Pass on the torch. Join us, give up your life for the people.”

What you and millions of nitrogenous Americans fail to see is that you are already reinforcing the American Fascist Project. It is only by rejecting racism, Nazism, and realizing LOVE as a force of RAGE at the injustices done to our sisters and brothers in our name as Americans that we have a chance at dignity, peace, and unity as people.

American fascism has long been here, and that's the truth, Ruth.

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Jericha Szlo's avatar

Hell ya girl this was bomb

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stepfanie tyler's avatar

🤜🤛

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The Masculine Institute's avatar

So very well done!

Those unsubs are your literal and moral badges of honor, for standing on logic and truth.

I try never to do drop someone else's post in comments section, but this one from Dr. Spier, is the complimentary sauce to the meal you've prepared here.

The left is a cult, and it always has been.

In the past this wasn't so clear, because the cultural waters were muddied. Holly-weird factored enormously into that obfuscation. However, just as in any radical movement, group or cult, escalation is unavoidable and always reaches a point where the majority of the masses can't avoid seeing the manipulation, capture and destruction, staring them in the face.

Dr. Hannah Spier, does a great job of explaining the mechanisms at work, that we (those not captured by this derangement) can see quite clearly.

https://substack.com/@psychobabblewithspier/p-173846188

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stepfanie tyler's avatar

Thanks for this. I’ll definitely check out Hannah’s piece!

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mis0ji's avatar

Reading this gives me a bit of a nostalgic feeling for when I really believed we could maintain a liberal society. I have a similar history to yours, believing what I was told until the insanity of it was too much to hold together in my head anymore. Now I'm definitely what most people would consider a far right maniac, because I think the only solutions we have realistically available to us are pretty drastic and ugly. Hope I'm wrong, I appreciate what you're doing.

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stepfanie tyler's avatar

Seems like many of us have woken up recently—it started for at the end of 2017/early 2018 but lately I’ve just been pushed to the brink. I guess we can only hope more people open their eyes soon too…

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Linda Parkinson-Hardman's avatar

What a thoughtful piece, and it's earned at least one subscriber back. I'm looking forward to reading more of your wild bare thoughts. I don't believe we'll necessarily agree about everything, but then again, I know I learn best when I talk to real people who have taken time to develop an opinion through insight into their own bias.

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stepfanie tyler's avatar

Thanks Linda. I don’t think there’s anyone on earth who I agree with 100% of the time, but I hope we can explore similar ideas and find middle ground. Welcome :)

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Cam Crain's avatar

Stay independent, Stephanie. Keep questioning. Keep creating your work. And let your work stand on its own. We Sapiens constantly get in our own way despite having so much potential. Hamlet said it better: “What a piece of work is a man, how noble in reason, how infinite in faculty, in form and moving how express and admirable…”

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